Cable bay golf resort and spa

[dilligaf]

I think you misinterpreted...I mean new sprawling greenfield subdivisions like Cable Bay and South Nanaimo lands will pull businesses from downtown. Most of these big developments include a large (typically big box) retail component and Nanaimo already has the most retail space per capita in Canada, with empty stores in the north end and downtown.

The problem with your argument is twofold ...

First, there is no big box retail downtown.

Second, a development the size of Cable Bay will not attract much more than the local business, grocery etc., than any development will. If they want to go to London Drugs, they will go to Port Place. If they want a nice meal, they will go downtown. If anything, Cable bay will strengthen downtown business in the short term because the people living there will have nowhere else to go.

In the longer term, the downtown condo development will have put more feet into downtown and that will serve to support the city centre area as well.

[alas]

Received in my mail a "FAQ" type of document from Roger McKinnon of McKinnon Real Estate Services Inc.

From the cover letter:
"With the potential downsizing of Harmac Pulp Operations, there may be fewer jobs for local residents. This potential loss of jobs will be partially offset by the proposed Cable Bay Golf Resort & Spa project, which will bring full- and part-time employment for local people and provide a stable client base for area businesses."

From the General Information of FAQ:
"...featuring a world-class, 80-room boutique hotel with professional services, retail, dining and entertainment. Included will be a mix of single detached homes, low and medium density multi-family dwellings and housing and service for seniors."

I am not completely positive but have 'heard' that the development happening right now on Morden Colliery trail (starting beside the Wheatsheaf) includes a pharmacy, high-density family housing, and a world class seniors housing and care facility.

Plus 2 fantastic restaurants, 2 pubs, 1 family restaurant... 2 other golf courses nearby, the Resort itself will have "Dining and Entertainment"... Why go downtown?

But the good news.. although I only know 1 of the unemployed...
"Site development is expected to create 600 jobs
On going full and part time managerial and service jobs number 500 averaging $46,000 per person per year
A further 465 full and part time jobs averaging $30,000 per person per year are expected to be created as a result of retail, commercial operations, golf course operation, hotel and spa management , seniors assisted living, recreational services, management and maintenance of public grounds and strata-controlled common areas"

[mrraulduke]

just because there are resturants on site, people who live there will go downtown to eat out. Not everyone wants to eat at teh same resturant every time, nor will they always want to go to the golf course to eat all the time.
how many of you eat exclusivly in your neighbourhood and never stray more then a fedw blocks from it?

[albertabluesky]

On going full and part time managerial and service jobs number 500 averaging $46,000 per person per year
A further 465 full and part time jobs averaging $30,000 per person per year are expected "

Is that the normal wage for jobs of this type in the Nanaimo area? Someone should advise that poor girl who wants to move from Toronto...

[Eric]

Sorry to ask, but are those gross or net income you are talking about (46,000 and 30,000)?

[albertabluesky]

There's no way it's net....

[click]

"Site development is expected to create 600 jobs

On going full and part time managerial and service jobs number 500 averaging $46,000 per person per year

A further 465 full and part time jobs averaging $30,000 per person per year are expected to be created as a result of retail, commercial operations, golf
course operation, hotel and spa management , seniors assisted living, recreational services, management and maintenance of public grounds and strata-controlled common areas"

While I generally support this development I strongly resent this obvious attempt to mislead by the above propaganda.


Site development may require 600 "person time blocks" but that does not equate to 600 workers, it doesn't even define how long the work will last. Definately not continuing employment.

500 managerial and service jobs? The term jobs is very misleading. My guess is the 500 is included in the 600 site development and 485 full and part time totals.


The numbers for wages is quite suspect as well. They are suggesting no person will be paid less than $15,00/hr.
Basic wage is good for about $17,000/yr retail, spa, recreational services, and hotel support (non union) do not draw much more than basic wage. At a stretch go to $12/hr and that's only $25,000/yr full time.

Golf course maint., seniors assisted living and maintenance of public grounds should hit $30,000/yr. with many making $40,000 plus if they are a quality facility. However, I doubt they will be the lions share of the 465 full time positions.



It just annoys me to have people sell their game based on unlikely outcomes.

[click]

There's no way it's net....

And they probably include loading factors like administration factors, accounting fees and EI, WCB and CPP employer paid deductions. Still only half of what a family needs to have a reasonable lifestyle.

[alas]

how many of you eat exclusivly in your neighbourhood and never stray more then a fedw blocks from it?

ME! Me! **waving arm fanatically**

The numbers for wages is quite suspect as well. They are suggesting no person will be paid less than $15,00/hr.
Basic wage is good for about $17,000/yr retail, spa, recreational services, and hotel support (non union) do not draw much more than basic wage. At a stretch go to $12/hr and that's only $25,000/yr full time.

It just annoys me to have people sell their game based on unlikely outcomes.

I completely agree. I wish I could find the Doc online.. but no luck, I guess it was, um, marketing for Cedar only.

[dilligaf]

ME! Me! **waving arm fanatically**

The exception that proves the rule!