I think this issue is extremeely important. it is not about being pro or anti development . It is about democracy being perceived to be in action. it is about being accountable to the voting public.
we have a new generation of voters and if they see what looks like trickery or bribery and i am not saying it is, we will have even less people going to the polls.
" my vote means nothing because all polititians are corrupt"
Thats my take anyway1
It could also be argued that Korpan has always been pro development and therefore supporting him to get re-elected is simply an act of self preservation and not an attempt to buy votes (in could be argued).
Another argument I often heard regarding Korpan was "better then devil you know that the devil you don't". If you have a multi-million dollar project on the go would you want to take a chance on an unknown?
The same can be said for the firefighters, between the three candidates running for Mayor, two capitalists and one pro union socialist; as a union member which one are you more likely to support?
That is the nature of democracy and while at times it can seem to have its flaws, it beats most if not all the other systems out there.
Cable Bay, McKinnon, Local 905 and every other contributor or campaign team volunteer have the right to support those candidates they think are going to best support the issues they see as important to them.
My beef with McKinnon and Cable Bay was the underhanded way in which they did it and while I do believe Local 905 also violated the new regulations, at least they made no secret of the fact that they were supporting, among others, Brennan.
I have consistantly found Smokey's input to be balanced and fair and while at times we have not agreed on a few issues I am glad he shares his point of view on this forum.
Smokey© suggests that the story is over now and there is no point in discussing further, I tend to disagree. The legislation has the power to impose penalties or prohibit the McKinnon's, Cable Bay's and offending unions from participating in the next 6 years of elections.
Smokey©, it is true that there are similar cases throughout BC but I live in Nanaimo and that is what I am concerned about. If the other communities are less concerned that is for them to decide.
[QUOTE=Trailblazer;30906]Originally Posted by Smokey©
Smokey© suggests that the story is over now and there is no point in discussing further, I tend to disagree.
Actually if anyone read my comments and what they were related to would understand I was not saying it was over!
I believe that Roger would have provided the information once he was informed he had to. A lot of people and organizations did not know they had to fill out a disclosure.Originally Posted by titan5
I have a hard time believing McKinnon would have provided his disclosure had it not been exposed.
Does it really matter?
Penalties and prohibitions can only occur if a minimum of 3 people file a complaint (as was posted earlier), then the government must act. They cannot act without a complaint filed.The legislation has the power to impose penalties or prohibit the McKinnon's, Cable Bay's and offending unions from participating in the next 6 years of elections.
Some developments I am for and others interest me. Earlier you stated an accusation and when I replied with a question for you, you ignored it. I have noticed this happens often when the answer may conflict with what you are attempting to achieve.
Originally Posted by Trailblazer
What you advocate is not sustainable.
Which ones are more sustainable and which are not sustainable?
☻ living on a 122' X 68' lot with a 1250 square foot home with a secondary suite in the basement?
☻ living in a 592 square foot duplex with a parking lot for a front yard and 60 square feet for a back yard?
☻ living on a half acre with a 3000 square foot home?
☻ living on a 5 acre lot with a 3000 square foot home?
Can you describe which one closes suits your current home?
My point is that yes, we need to be concerned about what happened but it happened all over the province. It was not just Bill and Roger that goofed but organizations and individuals all over the province.
I have consistently found Smokey's input to be balanced and fair and while at times we have not agreed on a few issues I am glad he shares his point of view on this forum.
Thanks, if we all agreed with everything we all said, it would be boring coming here.
My home has a huge carbon foorprint.
It was built some 22 yrs ago before I became aware of such things.
Some of us learn & change where we can whilst promoting enlightenment!
I failed to see what your point was hence I did not reply.
Which are the other questions or statements have I not answered?
Agree with me or not ; it should be apparent where I stand on issues.
I do not hide behind the ever popular "devils advocate" responce..
Smokey The more I read from you the more respect I have for you.
We are all learning as we share.
I disagree. According to Joan Harrison at City Hall, she informed every candidate prior to the election about the new rules and provided a brief information session to those interested. Heck I knew about the rules before the election and several members of this forum were posting excerpts from the act right here.
In fact the Canadian Labour Congress and CUPE both provided advance notice to Joan that they would be acting a Campaign Organizers.
Prior to the election information was out about McKinnon funnelling money for Cable Bay in support of Korpan. The Daily News knew this was an issue but Cale Cowan (likely under orders from Curt Duddy) prevented the story from getting out (sit on the story and keep McKinnon's cash flowing).
McKinnon was made aware of the queries but still he failed to comply with the legislation. Was it arrogance, avoidance or indifference?
Some time in early January, close to two months after the election McKinnon had still not registered and the story breaks in the Bulletin. Korpan is on the record now admitting he knew about McKinnon/Cable Bay and was flattered at the support, yet we are to believe that Korpan, a lawyer (so I am told), who has been informed of the new rules apparently never mentioned to McKinnon about complying with them.
In the same story McKinnon states he did not think the rules applied to him and by the way he has been too busy to register anyway.
What good is it find these things out some 120 days after an election? In my opinion the purpose of the new rules is to have these people and organizations register and announce their intent prior to the election in effect lifting the veil and allowing voters to make and informed decision.
As far as I am concerned, the intent is clear, Korpan knew it, Joan Harrison knew it, Local 905 was aware of it and so was McKinnon.
McKinnon comes across as a firm believe in the "easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission" school of business.
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The sad thing is that we ,the Public, accept this as business as usual!
How hard do you have to be screwed before you cry 'rape".
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