BC Legislature November 05 2009

[droflas]

Yep, I read it again and am re fed up with the plugs put on by the re feds party attempt at non partisan efforts to organize anything. If they are sincere in their efforts they should be doing this type of event in co-ordination of the FIGHT HST committees which clearly have put together a plan of action rather then going off on their own, especially when they lack so much political savvy and experience. Again they are showing why so many are fed up with them.

You continue to make assumptions.

You assume (wrongly I might add) that no effort was put into, or continues to be put into having fight hst be part of Nov. 05. This event IS partisan (nothing to the contrary was expressed or implied) only in so far that all parties groups and individuals are invited.

Basically we want all British Columbian s out there doing something to make the public aware of the mechanism for defeating this tax. Once people understand that there IS a mechanism in place, limited as it may be, then people will be willing to sign the Zalm instigated "peoples Initiative".

In the event that people turn out in droves at events between now and March, and if in March the Zalm initiative is successful in achieving it's objective of 10% of voters in all 85 electoral districts signing the petition then BITE ME!

As I stated previously, post on this forum the dates of all events, and actions that are to take place by fight hst, ndp, Cons, or any other groups that are opposed to hst and I / we will stand with them on this issue shoulder to shoulder. Post a list today of the dates times, locations, and I will personally see that it gets to as many people as possible, and I will do my utmost to attend all island events.

There are a lot of people in many different camps working their butts off to stop this tax.

What have you done so far?

[Nostradama]

remember Remember the 5th of November.

A bigger celebration in the old country than Halloween as I remember.

I remember my father reciting the rest of the rhyme to me, but if I were to put some of it up here, who knows what people would think? I think you know all of it, Queen, so you know what I mean. Most likely, Homeland Security would slip across the border to visit me.

[droflas]

Happy days!

[Nostradama]

Ask Gordo to order up some nice weather for us!

Ssshhh! So far El Gordo doesn't think he can control the weather. But if he gets the idea that he can, then he'll tax that, too!

[Smokey©]

What have you done so far?

I have done more for the fight against the HST then you will ever know and will continue to fight against support of a stupid idiotic political party that doesn't even know how to screen it's candidates and tries to state they will force changes when elected and don't even run enough candidates in that election to become government. Your party needs to learn a lot before it is allowed outside the sandbox.

[Nostradama]

There are a lot of people in many different camps working their butts off to stop this tax.

In the event that people turn out in droves at events between now and March, and if in March the Zalm initiative is successful in achieving it's objective of 10% of voters in all 85 electoral districts signing the petition then BITE ME!

As I stated previously, post on this forum the dates of all events, and actions that are to take place by fight hst, ndp, Cons, or any other groups that are opposed to hst and I / we will stand shoulder to shoulderwith them on this issue . Post a list today of the dates times, locations, and I will personally see that it gets to as many people as possible, and I will do my utmost to attend all island events. What have you done so far?

To begin: I still haven't made it to Staples to buy a new mouse, and so in copying my material, items in your quote were moved, I had a mouse malfunction, and it may have been altered. There was no ulterior intent in this. I apologize for the fact that part of your post that should have been included in the "quote" box appears above it. I think if I try to correct that, I may just worsen things.

BITE ME? BITE ME? From you, droflas? Honestly, I expected better than that from you. Stop being silly. If you want to take this into the gutter, you'll be up against me, too. Not that Smokey© needs any help. He certainly doesn't; he's a pretty formidable character, from what I've seen posted on this forum, whether I've agreed with some of it or not. Personally, I wouldn't want to take him on. There's a considerable mind and a formidable intellect there. Don't ever underestimate him and his capabilities. Never make any assumptions about the real identities of people who very carefully cloak themselves here. I'm not about to reveal my creds as a dirty political in-fighter and gutter-roller, but they're pretty good.

And you want someone else to do the work in giving you the complete "No HST" strategy? Contact them. They'll tell you. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't done so already. Gee, does that tell you anything? A plot? A conspiracy? A waft of gunsmoke from a grassy knoll in Dallas? That's about the level the "BITE ME" comment takes this to.

I think it is presumptuous to ask any other person on this forum exactly what they've done to support the "No HST" organization. There may be people here with political connections that you have no idea about. Nor should you have any idea about them. A person's politician friends and political connections are their own business, not yours.

No one is required to give you details of their personal efforts, their political credentials and their political experience. None of us have to prove anything to you or to anyone else here.

Your time would be better spent phoning and e-mailing to rally support and to repeat your opposition to those who are in control of this decision at the moment. Start with the Prime Minister, the federal Minister of Finance and work your way on down. Explain how the BC Liberal government has taken a piece of their legislation and warped it to their advantage, when you know that was never the intent of the Conservative federal government. It's a lie, you believe? Who cares? Tell them what they want to hear. It's not as if any politician hasn't ever lied to us.

Establish contact with Michael Ignatieff. The federal Liberals can't be pleased with what's happening in BC. They want to win the next federal election so badly they can taste it, and what happens in BC may very well lose them BC votes in that next election. (As an aside, all of this gets you a lot of "Best wishes for the Holiday Season" cards in December. Very impressive to some people if you display them in your house for Christmas visitors to see, if you've received "holiday greetings" from the Prime Minister of Canada and others down the political food chain. Discovered that last year, when an overly-snoopy friend flipped through a stack of cards piled on my kitchen table.) If federal-level Liberal pressure is applied to Campbell, he'll have to listen. If the federal Liberals win the next election, which will take place before the next BC election, they'll hold the purse strings to a lot of money that might, or might not flow to British Columbia. Believe it or not, but I tend to believe it, because I was told this by Iona Campagnola in a private conversation years ago, federal level politicians regard themselves as almost the Chosen People in comparison with provincial elected officials, Premiers or not. When the "Chosen People" speak, the peons in the provinces definitely listen.

Write letters/e-mails to the editor of every newspaper you can find. Just because you don't live in Fort St. John, for example, doesn't mean you can't write a letter to the editor of the newspaper. Get to know members of the local media. Schmooze them. Schmoozing is one of the most effective political tools I've ever found and used. Enough schmoozing and a sufficient number of drinks paid for by you will get you a heck of a lot. Get yourself twenty-three seconds of "face time" on TV. Every city the size of Nanaimo (and smaller) is filled with eager beaver young media types trying to find enough good stories to get themselves out of here and into the big leagues. Learn how to use their ambition. They're young enough and naive enough not to realize what you're really doing to them. Go up to VIU, stand on some steps, and start talking.

But please do this as a supporter of the "No HST" group and not as a readily-identifiable supporter of the ReFeds. Too many people will read that as a visibility-building maneuvre of the ReFed Party.

Go with the "No HST" folks. Our situation is like being under attack by a nuclear power and then turning down an offer of help by a friend who will supply all the nuclear missiles we want. Bill Vander Zalm knows everything I've written, and much, much more. He played in that league for years. He lived it for years. He knows the rules of the game. If there is hope, it lies with him and the "No HST" group.

I think it's pretty apparent that I was raised by a skilled political tactician. My only regret is that sometimes I didn't listen as carefully as I might have.

[droflas]

I have done more for the fight against the HST then you will ever know and will continue to fight against support of a stupid idiotic political party that doesn't even know how to screen it's candidates and tries to state they will force changes when elected and don't even run enough candidates in that election to become government. Your party needs to learn a lot before it is allowed outside the sandbox.

Smokey it is admirable that you have taken action and I am genuinely pleased that you have. I wish more people would step up and do the same. It appears that we are on the same side at least on one aspect, but not so sure about the name calling. However, I will not stoop to that level. Let's just focus on the task at hand in our own way, that is all I have to say.

[Smokey©]

Smokey it is admirable that you have taken action and I am genuinely pleased that you have. I wish more people would step up and do the same. It appears that we are on the same side at least on one aspect, but not so sure about the name calling. However, I will not stoop to that level. Let's just focus on the task at hand in our own way, that is all I have to say.

Be so kind to point out the name calling. I might have used a few so called names in reference to that political party but did not call you a single name, not even Droflas.

[queen of the waterfront]

Happy days!

I loved the guy . Penny for the guysers. The neighboorhood collection of junk and the huge bonfire. It sure cleaned up the neighborhood.
Getting rid of the old dead wood would make quite a difference in our province and our country.

[Trailblazer]

[Getting rid of the old dead wood would make quite a difference in our province and our country.[/QUOTE]

Are you referring to Politicians?