When parents away, children play!

[zedex]

From what I am seeing, the person giving the beer could, and most likely will, be charged with contributing or distribution and the kid could, and most likely will NOT, be charged with theft. A civil suit could be filed on the charge of willful neglect or at the very least, failure to protect { as in keeping the drink out of sight or reach}.

But, setting legalities aside, one does ponder the intent of the child as well as the education he has to alcohol consumption. The kid obviously has some expirience with it in the past and has educated himself enough to know how to hoodwink an adult.

The adult, on the other hand-- what was he thinking?? If even Junior's parents did allow consumption, it does not negate the fact it is still underage contribution.

All three share blame, the parents for reckless endangerment for leaving their kid in the hands of someone they do not know well. { I'd say perhaps 15% blame}

The man who gave the beer shares the greater portion as he should have had better judgement. { 65%}

The kid for hoodwinking the man, lying, manipulation {5%-- low because thats just what kids do} and for theft of more alcohol. {15%}

[Nostradama]

I think one thing is a "for sure"--everyone got up that morning and took more their fair share of "stupid" pills.

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The real issue behind this story is the alcohol that was contributed to a minor along with alcohol not being kept in a safe place so the kid could not get his hands on further alcohol. I see no manipulation but a kid telling a lie.

We had a 15yr old exchange student from Ukraine and he asked if he could have a beer because he was allowed to drink it at home. What was our answer to him asking for the beer? *Sorry dude you are only 15 yrs old. No can do as you are under age and it is illegal for you to drink let alone for us to give you beer or any alcohol here in Canada*.

It would not have mattered what he said because law is law. The man made his own decision to give the kid the beer. Whether the kid was lying or testing the man out there is no manipulation in asking even by adding that his parents let him drink.

The part about the boy’s parents leaving him with basically a stranger is another issue all together.

My opinion is the man was 100% in fault.

[kittahmunhaPromotions]

you guys are all jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

i may only be 27 but i remember being 13. In this day and age kids actually start drinking at this age.. or at least experiment. I dont believe it was wrong at all for the guy to say its ok for the 13 year old to have a beer per day. my dad would have said the same to me at that age.

It'd be pretty hard to charge him with anything too. Its he said she said at this point, theres no physical proof that it happened at all. People can brag about things that they never actually did, or brag about things they've done and say they didnt do it. In Canada you're innocent until proven guilty.

[All Ages Music Concerts]

Possession or consumption

(8) No person under nineteen years of age shall have, consume, attempt to purchase, purchase or otherwise obtain liquor. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 30 (8).

[kittahmunhaPromotions]

Possession or consumption

(8) No person under nineteen years of age shall have, consume, attempt to purchase, purchase or otherwise obtain liquor. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 30 (8).

haha
just because something is illegal doesnt mean that people dont do it or that its wrong.

i know a lot of you people on this board are old.. at least double my age.. and i think you've all forgotten what its like to be a youth.

think about it this way... wouldnt you rather a teenager getting drunk and experimenting then waiting until they are of age and wrecking their lives with these "new" experiences that their peers experienced 5 years before them? tolerance can be a good thing in life and good to learn at an early age.

This situation could have been way worse... the 13 year old could have been drinking in the streets or at a park with older teens and getting into trouble.. instead he had his friends over in a room and drank?? c'mon... seriously?! I think the kid should be grounded, but other than that... what harm is there? he learnt how awful a hangover feels.. and thats punishment enough.

[All Ages Music Concerts]

haha
just because something is illegal doesnt mean that people dont do it or that its wrong.

i know a lot of you people on this board are old.. at least double my age.. and i think you've all forgotten what its like to be a youth.

think about it this way... wouldnt you rather a teenager getting drunk and experimenting then waiting until they are of age and wrecking their lives with these "new" experiences that their peers experienced 5 years before them? tolerance can be a good thing in life and good to learn at an early age.

This situation could have been way worse... the 13 year old could have been drinking in the streets or at a park with older teens and getting into trouble.. instead he had his friends over in a room and drank?? c'mon... seriously?! I think the kid should be grounded, but other than that... what harm is there? he learnt how awful a hangover feels.. and thats punishment enough.

I don't consider it appropriate, especially for a non parent to give a 13 yr old alcohol to consume just because they are in:what might be a safe enviroment? That is an assumption!

I work with teens all the time and a one night stand with a great hang over the next day is not going to stop there. Come on I am sure you know that is true! To start drinking at 13 yrs old will definitely lead to problems ahead, unless the parents are there to see through these teen years with support, guidance and true involvement whether their kids like it or not.

As I said I work in a field periodically where I get to see kids and I mean kids that drink to get so stupidly drunk and high that it is really sad to see how even their so called friends can not and do not look out for them. I have provided safety on occasions for these kids and my reward from them is when they say to me * I sure wish my parents were involved as you are. Your son is lucky*. Those kind of responses from other kids tells me alot.

To start drinking at an early age does not give them more wisdom or in anyway prepare them some kind of a better control as they hit the legal age. If anything by the time they hit the legal age they have additions, not completed schooling, left home and no jobs and the story tells itself. I am a parent and I know I have been there for other parents' kids when in need. I might be much older but I still carry the values that parents are expected to show there kids.

Yes kids love to do the grown up things and when they start to experiment it does not stop there. I am sure if kids are drinking at an early age they will drink where ever the party is. We all know those bush parties get a lot of kids from elementary to ones that are out of high school. That is even scarier.

I may be older but I am still able to think young at heart and involve myself with the young. The only thing that makes me old to some is I hold values, ethics and true concerns for our younger generation. Some things can not be used as excuses.

[Nostradama]

haha
just because something is illegal doesnt mean that people dont do it or that its wrong.

i know a lot of you people on this board are old.. at least double my age.. and i think you've all forgotten what its like to be a youth.

think about it this way... wouldnt you rather a teenager getting drunk and experimenting then waiting until they are of age and wrecking their lives with these "new" experiences that their peers experienced 5 years before them? tolerance can be a good thing in life and good to learn at an early age.

This situation could have been way worse... the 13 year old could have been drinking in the streets or at a park with older teens and getting into trouble.. instead he had his friends over in a room and drank?? c'mon... seriously?! I think the kid should be grounded, but other than that... what harm is there? he learnt how awful a hangover feels.. and thats punishment enough.

On this, I will post.

kittahmunhaPromotions: Try the life I've lived, and perhaps you might reconsider your position:

Squatting on the curb, in the pouring rain, in the middle of the night, getting puked on, because the RCMP has called me because the kid has said s/he will only talk to me and is self-cutting, threatening the cops with the knife (in the days before Tasers), and spun on God-knows-what combination of drugs and alcohol, asking "What did you do?" As in, "Do you remember what kind of drugs you've used tonight?" Climbing into the ambulance with the kid because s/he won't go peacefully without me. Watching Narcan being injected when things got tough and it looked like the kid might not make it. Same-type scenario with variations several times.

Holding a girl's hand while a medical type uses a sexual assault evidence kit on her, taking samples from her mouth, her vagina, and her anus, because she was rollin' on E and who knows what else, (or doing Vitamin K--name whatever drug's the biggest right now, I don't know because I'm not on the scene anymore) at a bush party and doesn't even remember how many or who the guys were who were putting it to her. And waiting while they patched up her anus.

Trying to comfort a couple of parents when they've just been told by a doc that their son/daughter didn't make it after doing some 'shrooms that put the kid into convulsions so bad that the kid was actually flailing hands through the trunks of very small trees and taking the trees down. Yep, I could tell you exactly where those mushrooms still grow, but I'm not doing it.

Sitting at the side of a day-care bed at the hospital waiting for a girl to "wake up" after what's carefully called a "dilation and curretage", fancy name for an abortion, a couple of months after a rape by a guy so out of his mind on either drugs and/or alcohol that she couldn't stop him. Not to say that she hadn't been drinking herself. She had been.

Watching the life of a kid, age twenty-one when he was hit by another guy, age seventeen, driving drunk out of his mind, for the last twenty years since that happened. All-round great guy, not a nerd or a "suck-up," spent nearly a year at a rehab in Vancouver learning to do what he could do after major brain damage from being hit by the drunk kid who lost control of the car, went up on the sidewalk and hit the kid I knew. A guy who's now in middle age will never walk again, will never marry, will never have kids, hates to go out in public because of his multiple handicaps. Drools uncontrollably, too. Doesn't know what will happen to him when his parents die. He'll probably end up in an extended care ward. Ever visited one? Try it.

Knowing that a kid I saw frequently could only operate with two big shots of Grand Marnier at breakfast and at lunch. Try to find a rehab in this province for a sixteen-year-old alcoholic. The kid's parents tried several in the States, spending buckets of money, trying to get the kid straightened out. Didn't work. Finally resolved the problem by accepting it, and accepting that the kid could only function normallly when semi-drunk. When and if you have kids, you'll understand how absolutely terrible it was for the parents to finally come to that and to accept it.

Taking teens over fourteen of both genders for testing for a whole variety of STDs, STIs after drunk or drugged unprotected sex. And then waiting six months for the HIV/AIDS testing, because the anti-AIDS antibodies don't start showing up until about six months after unsafe sex. (Over fourteen, kids in BC don't require the consent or knowledge of their parent/s for medical treatment.)

Do I think every young person is a drunken, drug-addicted loser? No. Do I think the ones who are, are disgusting people with no willpower who could solve all of their problems if they just really tried? No.

Yes, it's part of becoming an adult to push the boundaries, to sometimes break laws. Pretty well everyone, if they were being honest, would admit they've done it.

But these days the consequences are one whole hell of a lot more serious than they might have been back in "my day." And I've chosen to help out with a lot of the consequences of pushing the boundaries.

I've even held in my arms a young man, as he died of AIDS, whose parents and family wouldn't even see him because he was gay.

It's possible you think I'm old. Yes. Possible that you think I'm a prude or that I basically have led a sheltered life. No. Possible that I'm not a realist. Again, no. There isn't much I haven't seen or heard. Possible that you think I'm out of date. Yes--partly, but things haven't changed that much over the past few years.

The point is that this is a much, much tougher world for kids in their younger years than it has ever been before. A lot of us who grew up when things were not so tough remember those days, and we see what happens to kids who absolutely do not deserve the things that happen to them. We care. We know from experience what can happen.

Sure, it might be better if kids had their first drink at home, with their parents' knowledge and consent. That their parents knew about all of the drinking or drug experimentation. Never going to happen. Part of the high is doing something your parents don't know about. But we all know that many parents, even those who do let their kids have a beer at home have no idea what happens outside the home. How many parents know they're being lied to when a kid says they're gonna spend a weekend at some other kid's house, but they're out partying? How many parents know that their kids are already pretty serious regular binge drinkers? I'm not knocking parents here. They're doing the best they can, but there's no one better than a teen at BS-ing parents. My parents never knew everything I got up to, and I'll bet it's the same for most of us old folks here. (Turning my walker around and toddling back to the old folks' home.)

For those who think I crossed the boundaries in my previous profession--no. It was part of what I did when I was with a volunteer agency in my own private life and time.

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Just read in the courts news that someone (will not mention who) got a $500.00 fine for contributing alcohol to a minor.