Re: Shooting

[Geoff]

Yeah okay, granted there are probably a lot of douchebag cops. But there are good ones as well. One thing people seem to forget is that they are human too and are prone to the same emotions and behaviours as everyone else. But since we appoint them authority, we expect them to be perfect and not make mistakes or be human. You wouldn't think anything of two regular joes getting in a bar fight, but as soon as a uniformed person does, it's all of a sudden a big deal. I'm not condoning said behaviour, people shouldn't do dumbass things but that's just the way it is. Power tends to corrupt but what are you going to do, it happens.

All organizations have bad apples amongst them, and the police are no exception. I have encountered a few bad apples among the police. But I do side with the fact that the vast majority of the police are legitimate good people. Good at their jobs and good people away from them too. While I wasn't feeling good about the bad encounters, I do cut them some slack that they have a job to do, and do encounter a lot of BS in their work.

[3 of 7]

You know, many years ago I was sitting in the lunchroom at work and it was tax time and we were all complaining about the amount of taxes we had to pay..... One of the older immigrant gents quietly said " I like paying my taxes, my wife and I walked to the store late last night, it was quite enjoyable and I didn't have worry about criminals or the army shooting us."
It had a profound effect on me, and ever since I've been so thankful I don't live in a place like Somalia, Sierra Leone or some other such place....( You can just about pick anywhere in the world and it's worse than here )

I haven't had a problem with the RCMP in over 50 years and I'm glad we got em.

[Geoff]

My feelings about the police aren't just about the local police here, but the police in general as a whole. Granted my thoughts may be a bit biased from having 3 police officer friends and my dad's job as a probation officer involving a lot of police dealings. Still, even without the connections I have a healthy degree of respect for them.

[BigMac]

...Im glad they caught a murderer so fast..it shows they have things under control. Is that not a police state somehow Mac?

Ok, here is my take on this whole incident, wrong location in the forum, maybe. From what we know from the news etc. Buddy knows he is a wanted man. Buys a gun & holster. Guys come to see him about so called debt. Buddy hands them an envelope with a hankee in it. They check envelope, buddy starts shooting, gets both of them in the leg, below the body armour, they somehow return fire, and kill him. Dumb**** run away & get caught by cops who are called to the scene. What kind of "tough guys" go to finish a guy off in broad daylight in a public location. They were obviously prepared , 1 having armour. Just another case of dumbas** criminals. And to get to the point, really,all the cops did, is follow up on a 911 call. The fools had already shot each other, and couldn't run too far. Just my take

[All Ages Music Concerts]

Ok, here is my take on this whole incident, wrong location in the forum, maybe. From what we know from the news etc. Buddy knows he is a wanted man. Buys a gun & holster. Guys come to see him about so called debt. Buddy hands them an envelope with a hankee in it. They check envelope, buddy starts shooting, gets both of them in the leg, below the body armour, they somehow return fire, and kill him. Dumb**** run away & get caught by cops who are called to the scene. What kind of "tough guys" go to finish a guy off in broad daylight in a public location. They were obviously prepared , 1 having armour. Just another case of dumbas** criminals. And to get to the point, really,all the cops did, is follow up on a 911 call. The fools had already shot each other, and couldn't run too far. Just my take

Yep the cops followed up on a 911 call. Seems to me the d****** that came to shoot were thrugs hired by the HA! So I mean DA wanting to be a part of the group, so they showed their stuuff... lol, right to jail you go ,, dumb***

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Just a random comment that I heard someone say in regards to the incident. More than likely a speculation on their part.

[Nostradama]

Yep the cops followed up on a 911 call. Seems to me the d****** that came to shoot were thrugs hired by the HA! So I mean DA wanting to be a part of the group, so they showed their stuuff... lol, right to jail you go ,, dumb***

OK, let me get this straight. You're saying that the Hell's Angels hired a couple of guys to shoot this guy? Or that maybe a couple of HA wannabes decided they'd do it to speed up the "full patch" process? That's a pretty large leap to a conclusion. On the other hand, if you know that's the truth, you should contact the RCMP.

[Smokey©]

I would never ever name any organization as being involved in any murder.
It could always cause another one, regardless of whom may be at fault originally and not always by the organization named.
Of course, if anyone has PROOF, contact the RCMP (as Nostradama pointed out).
Trust that the RCMP would be looking into any affiliation with any group.

[kittahmunhaPromotions]

there may have been an HA connection in this situation, buddy might've had friends in the gang, but its obviously not done by HA... they're a bit more low key.. i would think?

[Nostradama]

this is, mostly, an anonymous forum. I think that some people are making assumptions, since they've never met each and every other forum member on this mostly-anonymous forum, that there's no one on the forum who's either a full patch member of the Hell's Angels Nanaimo Chapter (or any other Chapter), an associate in some form, or a friend.

Those assumptions are wrong.

Some people here have stated from time to time that they are strong believers in protecting the rights of others. One right covered in Canadian law is the right of an accused person to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. But assumptions or presumptions of guilt or relationships between people and groups are being made. So are assumptions about who's really responsible. Until a trial is held and until a verdict is handed down, there is no guilty party.

If I were to post here that members of the Retired Log Scalers' Association of South West Cedar and Outer Cranberry were responsible for this shooting, I'd be wrong. I'd be wrong because I didn't see the shooting and I don't know if any of the people involved in the shooting might be members of the Retired Log Scalers, etc., or related to them, or had business dealings with them. Does anyone here have all the direct, personal, "I was there" information? Anyone present when the shooting was being planned? Anyone who was present at absolutely everything that led up to this shooting should be giving evidence in court. Others who weren't shouldn't be making assumptions, drawing connections where none may exist.

[kittahmunhaPromotions]

this is, mostly, an anonymous forum. I think that some people are making assumptions, since they've never met each and every other forum member on this mostly-anonymous forum, that there's no one on the forum who's either a full patch member of the Hell's Angels Nanaimo Chapter (or any other Chapter), an associate in some form, or a friend.

Those assumptions are wrong.

Some people here have stated from time to time that they are strong believers in protecting the rights of others. One right covered in Canadian law is the right of an accused person to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. But assumptions or presumptions of guilt or relationships between people and groups are being made. So are assumptions about who's really responsible. Until a trial is held and until a verdict is handed down, there is no guilty party.

If I were to post here that members of the Retired Log Scalers' Association of South West Cedar and Outer Cranberry were responsible for this shooting, I'd be wrong. I'd be wrong because I didn't see the shooting and I don't know if any of the people involved in the shooting might be members of the Retired Log Scalers, etc., or related to them, or had business dealings with them. Does anyone here have all the direct, personal, "I was there" information? Anyone present when the shooting was being planned? Anyone who was present at absolutely everything that led up to this shooting should be giving evidence in court. Others who weren't shouldn't be making assumptions, drawing connections where none may exist.

last i checked, the point of a public forum board is to "chat"... aka a place to come together and discuss ideas, opinions, assumptions, rants, ect. am i wrong?

as well as, last i checked, we're not the judge or jury and anything we say on here is just he said she said and has nothing to do with the investigation of this murder.

I'd like to know why some people take a "rant" board so seriously... we're all adults here, and we're all entitled to our own opinions and assumptions... no reason to be defensive, Nostradama, about this... unless you're in on the debt collecting? (just kidding, of course. I'm just trying to rifle some tail feathers since you seem to be so passionate about being "the other side" on every discussion)