Anti-Abortion Motion 312

[Foxglove]

I am Pro Choice. Just to get that out of the way. My personal beliefs towards abortion are irrelevant. I believe that it is a woman’s RIGHT to choose what is best for HER, HER body and HER situation. People who are Anti-Abortionists are Anti-Women. Period.

George Carlin says it best. See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCWC4sHbIV0

To give a fetus rights, takes away the right of the actual woman. WHICH IS RIDICULOUS! How can we, in this day and age, start going down the road of the Dark Ages AGAIN!

In case you have not heard of Motion 312 which has been dubbed “Woodworth’s Wank” and the “Women Can’t Be Trusted” bill among many others. It is to be brought up for discussion on April 26 and regards, you guessed it, Anti-Abortion laws.

See here: http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/action/M-312.html

Many people have already said it better than I ever can, but I am so disturbed by this. I have already signed petitions (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...rofile_oneline), posted countless information on my facebook page and generally making people aware of what could happen in Canada because it is already happening in the States.

See here:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03...ent-abortions/

I have also emailed my outrage to the PM and MP’s.

See here:
CrowdJ@parl.gc.ca
pm@pm.gc.ca
louis.plamondon@parl.gc.ca
elizabeth.may@parl.gc.ca
nycole.turmel@parl.gc.ca
bob.rae@parl.gc.ca

I have also emailed Stephen Woodworth himself asking why he is Anti-Women. I cannot wait to see what the reply will be if I even get one!

I urge you to express your outrage and stand up for the rights of women! Because yet again we are under attack and all of the previous hard work from activists is about to be challenged. Women are NOT property of the State and should not be treated as such!

[Nostradama]

I'm old enough that when I was in my teens, my twenties, and into my thirties, abortions under most circumstances were illegal in Canada. I, too, am afraid that what some people are pushing in the States may spread to Canada. Well, I don't need to be afraid any more, do I? It's apparently happening in Canada.

Younger women who protest this might be surprised to be joined by women in their sixties, seventies, and eighties who remember how bad it was back in the day. I won't even describe some of the things young women did to their bodies because they were pregnant at a time in life when they didn't want to be. The lucky ones (mostly with money) knew which doctor to see.

Thanks for posting this. My member of parliament, I suspect, might think this is a good idea, but yours won't, I suspect, so I'll e-mail her too. Plus the prime minister, who's getting pretty tired of hearing from me.

[Foxglove]

This is what I asked Wankworth about M-312. Feel free to bombard his emails with questions and comments about your concern for this bill! Here: http://www.stephenwoodworth.ca/askQuestion.aspx

Why are you Anti-Women? Yeah that is right. Your silly bill M-312 which has now been labelled "Woodworth's Wank" or the "Women can't be trusted" bill. It is stupid. How can you have such a dark ages mentality? Do you think that women are incapable of making informed medical decisions for their body? How could you possibly understand what it would be like for a bill like this to pass? Do you know what it would be like to have the State in your uterus? Oh wait, you do not have one. Which means you cannot possibly comprehend what it would be like to be raped and not have the option to abort. Which means you cannot comprehend what it would be like to have a life threatening pregnancy and abortion is the only way to save your life. In your case you are saying the fetus is more important than the mother. What if your daughter was raped? Would you tell her she has to go to term with the fetus even though she had a life altering traumatic experience? Shame on you and your anti-women beliefs!

[Foxglove]

I'm old enough that when I was in my teens, my twenties, and into my thirties, abortions under most circumstances were illegal in Canada. I, too, am afraid that what some people are pushing in the States may spread to Canada. Well, I don't need to be afraid any more, do I? It's apparently happening in Canada.

Younger women who protest this might be surprised to be joined by women in their sixties, seventies, and eighties who remember how bad it was back in the day. I won't even describe some of the things young women did to their bodies because they were pregnant at a time in life when they didn't want to be. The lucky ones (mostly with money) knew which doctor to see.

Thanks for posting this. My member of parliament, I suspect, might think this is a good idea, but yours won't, I suspect, so I'll e-mail her too. Plus the prime minister, who's getting pretty tired of hearing from me.

I cannot even imagine what it would be like to live in a time like that. And for my sake, I hope I will never have to. I can only imagine what sort of horror stories a woman would have done to her body to stop a pregnancy. I personally do not want children, but if something ever happened in the future and birth control / contraceptives failed, I would certainly want the option to choose to terminate the pregnancy if I so desired.

I would really hope that the older generation, who have actually lived through this, would be joining the sides of the younger generation to stop this from happening. That would make me extremely happy!

Haha. Well, keep bombarding the PM with your opinions. I sense that not many people do so anymore. I can say that he will be getting more and more letters from me among the others I have listed in my previous post.

[Nostradama]

. . .Well, keep bombarding the PM with your opinions. I sense that not many people do so anymore. I can say that he will be getting more and more letters from me among the others I have listed in my previous post. . . .

At least he's a good sport about it--he sends Christmas (oops! "holiday") cards every year. I've sent the links to female friends who range in age from twenty-eight to eighty-nine. That's good for eighteen more e-mails to politicians. The older the better, because we know what it was like for some women before the abortion laws were changed. I don't remember a single friend who either had an illegal abortion or was forced to go full-term with her baby and then give it up for adoption who wasn't deeply and significantly changed by the experience. Most of them had to take the adoption route. Those days were awful, before the pill and when abortion was still illegal. It was ridiculous in some ways. Many doctors wouldn't prescribe the pill when it came on the market unless the woman was married. Many pharmacies wouldn't dispense the pill unless the woman was married. I went with some friends to an old Woolworth's store on Granville in Vancouver and we bought a cheap wedding ring for about $1.99 and used it when we went in for our birth control prescriptions and then used it while getting the prescription filled. It was farcical. My doctor knew darned well I wasn't married, but some people were so violently opposed to unmarried women having the pill he was afraid he might be charged under some archaic law. They are not ever changing this law. Those of us who are seriously old (OK, so I had a big birthday yesterday, and it wasn't sixty-five!) can go "raging granny" pretty darned fast.

[Nostradama]

for going "off thread" on this topic, which was because I have very strong feelings about the topic, as some others probably do, too, whether for or against. This topic is Foxglove's and the topic is M-312, not about my feelings. Apologies, before someone asks for them or points out that I went off topic.

[Foxglove]

Do not apologize for going off topic. People need to hear what it was like then, so that we do not go on the same path. There is so much female oppression it makes me incredibly angry. And reading about how one had to buy a fake wedding ring to get birth control is ridiculous! I often feel at a loss for words because I cannot express how much passion and anger I have. Because when it comes down to it, Motion 312 is just another attempt to oppress and subdue women. And too many people are too blind to notice or keep their heads in the sand because it is easier for them to do nothing and go on with their lives.

[Foxglove]

You know what is awesome. I found Stephen Woodworth's facebook page. He made an ironic Twitter statement "International Women's Day is a good time to remember the day Canada's infamous law deeming women not to be persons was rejected."

To which I gracefully replied "How funny you should post this when your misogynist mentality is trying to take those very rights away with your Motion 312 by giving a fetus more rights than the actual woman!"

Bazinga!

What is even better is that moments later he deleted my comment. And disabled comments on his Facebook page, either that or he blocked me, lol. Bazinga indeed!

Oh look I found his email! woodworth.s@parl.gc.ca

[Nanaimo1]

This is not an anti-abortion bill.
http://bit.ly/zkQ777
It is a motion to put together a study to determine the point between conception and birth when a fetus becomes a human being.
No abortion or anti-abortition stance. None!

[Foxglove]

This is not an anti-abortion bill.
http://bit.ly/zkQ777
It is a motion to put together a study to determine the point between conception and birth when a fetus becomes a human being.
No abortion or anti-abortition stance. None!

His intent is to bestow legal personhood on fetuses which in turn would re-criminalize abortions. So yes, if he succeeds in getting this Motion passed it would be an Anti-Abortion motion.

Did you even read this? http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/action/M-312.html