Westwood Ridges closed by DND?

[PaulStevens]

You could well be right

i am

[nza]

there are lots of SS storm troopers up on Mt Benson. We're just very good at cam and concealment.

Just because the area has been "safe" for 40 years doesn't mean that there hasn't been activity planned for it now. Org changes within DND/CF at the region level, and smaller probably means that no longer local cmdrs have control, most likely relinquished to CFB / ASU or back to Edmonton. Camping for CF mbrs at Nanoose could of been booked at Nanoose, but now, has to be handled in Naden. Go figure.

With the standing up some specialized units, as well as all the different reorgs of Reg and PRes units at the bge level, it could be that CF infrastructure could be planned for the area.

Remember, that DND is not synonymous with CF. DND is the overseeing civilian dept of the CF. DND is also engaged in R&D, crytography, communication security, etc etc... It's not just big army.

I love you anti forces people. You make my life so much more interesting.

And you are right, not all DND land are active ranges. But they are trg grounds nonetheless - used or not. There's been many examples of shared use. Volks range area in Chiliwack. I see atv's, motocross, and scouts in there all the time. The scouts loved our guns.

[The Hiker of the Cosmos]

Boy the redneck Hillbillies in Hillbilly Hollow are out and about again.

What is it about crown land that you don't understand, the Govt. has no private property, the stupidity of the Jethro Hillbilly's is breath taking, and they walk among us, scary knuckle draggers ha ha ha.........As for calling the Govt. on a intrusion of our rights treason and that they should be shot, obviously you all have recently suffered a severe head injury among you all.

I guess your all sitting in your camo slacks on your death from above couch burping and scratching yourselves as clearly you all have nothing to contribute on the subject except to wear out your knee pads cowtowing to a military that we all would be better off without if this is the asinine conduct we can expect from them, sounds to me that these twerps in camo both on & off base need refresher course on who is running this country, it is neither of them, You all have a good day now ye hear

The vast majority of Nanaimo residents are actually angry at the Military who could well find themselves so despised that they are run out of down and forced to relocate. All they have done is kick themselves in the nuts, not an unimpressive accomplishment but unproductive nether the less.

Apparently they are guarding an Area 51 up there...........there is no other rational reason for all this happening on the Mountain which they appear to think belongs to them....Not !!. Maybe they are busy reconstructing Darth Vader..............or getting Borged by The Borg..................they have already finished their Death Star according to sources in the know............Col.Kink is the one who should behave or Hogan will have to teach him some political lessons.

And all the knee jerk rednecks out there in their camo fashions, your point is..........????.................. that i am right?, i concur heartily with you and an opinion just because it does not agree with yours is not a rant rather an opinion expressed, that is what a democracy is all about.!!

And yes that is what i think of those that support the DND's dictatorial Fascist position on this matter By the way the people living along the side of Morrell nearest Mt.Benson in the trailer park, they as well are in what the Military in effect is saying is the danger Zone as they are right there nearby the K2N trail.

So i take it the Military will force them out at gun point and put barbed wire fences around them as well, after all the alternative is putting them in a life threatening position........Oh ! My ! Again the DND legally and constitutionally can not and does not actually own a square meter of property anywhere, it is all crown public land, i own it, you own it, all Gods Canadian Citizens own it. !!

So the constant comparison's to someone buying and owning their own private property is asinine and apples compared to oranges.The Military is by their conduct alienating the vast majority of the population in Nanaimo and will the ones that suffer for it.This matter is not going away, so those whining about the constant to be conversation in the media on this matter better get used to it as we have just began to fight, it will not go away.

[The Hiker of the Cosmos]

there are lots of SS storm troopers up on Mt Benson. We're just very good at cam and concealment.

Just because the area has been "safe" for 40 years doesn't mean that there hasn't been activity planned for it now. Org changes within DND/CF at the region level, and smaller probably means that no longer local cmdrs have control, most likely relinquished to CFB / ASU or back to Edmonton. Camping for CF mbrs at Nanoose could of been booked at Nanoose, but now, has to be handled in Naden. Go figure.

With the standing up some specialized units, as well as all the different reorgs of Reg and PRes units at the bge level, it could be that CF infrastructure could be planned for the area.

Remember, that DND is not synonymous with CF. DND is the overseeing civilian dept of the CF. DND is also engaged in R&D, crytography, communication security, etc etc... It's not just big army.

I love you anti forces people. You make my life so much more interesting.

And you are right, not all DND land are active ranges. But they are trg grounds nonetheless - used or not. There's been many examples of shared use. Volks range area in Chiliwack. I see atv's, motocross, and scouts in there all the time. The scouts loved our guns.

Your not up there as i spent another 3 hours hiking there yesterday, your post is a lot of could be, might be, and a lot of you don't know yet in your mind this justifies the actions of the Military.
Needless to say i am not impressed, you have a lot of gum action but not a lot to say other then some made up guessing to hide the military's actions behind.

If any of what you are saying is true and i see zero to indicate that it is, then the Col. Klink should state it as so to the appropriate civilian authorities so that a meeting of minds and a compromise could be reached, but no Herr Klink could not be bothered, a burp and a shrill declaration is all that he could muster.

There is no military activity up there nor any reason to believe any is planned, certainly any that took place would not be 24/7 that would preclude any citizens from being present as Col.Klink is dictating from his podium.

If the Mt. is not used for training nor has been for decades then it is not a training area.
Shared use what a concept, that is what i has been the case for decades and what should continue to be the case, this concept seems to have been lost on Col.Klink.

What is his problem...............?

[Nanaimo1]

Col. Klink was a character on a tv show and was a German.
Understanding the meaning of crown land is an easy process.
Not wanting to understand it along with the past present and future uses of the property is not going to help you understand it, so everything you say is just endless muttering.
I think "nza" has a better understanding of the issues at hand as it is his income generator. He is more believable.

[The Hiker of the Cosmos]

Col. Klink was a character on a tv show and was a German.
Understanding the meaning of crown land is an easy process.
Not wanting to understand it along with the past present and future uses of the property is not going to help you understand it, so everything you say is just endless muttering.
I think "nza" has a better understanding of the issues at hand as it is his income generator. He is more believable.

Yes that is the point, The Military and the Base Commander are acting like Germans of WW II ilk which is not a good thing by the way, and Klink was a fumbling, Bumbling Buffoon much like this Base Commander, also not a good thing, the point being he & the military locally will go the way of Col. Klink, also not a good thing.

What is so hard about that to grasp?
I understand crown land, it is the goose steppers who can't clue in and think it is like private property owned by a non-owning entity such as the military.

What nza has is a built in pro military sychophant knee jerk bias that makes his pro military views non credible.
What does how you make your money have to do with this issue or the merit based facts of it?...........Nothing !!!

[nza]

By your logic then, if any crown land is public land, I urge you to take a drive up to CFB comox, knock on the door of the control tower and exercise your right to have a sit-in just because you, as public, own the land and can do it. I'll ring up my ATC buddy there right now, and let him know you are coming and ensure that you are accommodated to the full extent of your constitutional right.

Or, setup camp on one of the ridges at CFMETR. Although almost the entire facility is run by civvies, I'm sure the commissionaires would be along soon to see how you're doing.

I also urge you to setup camp and not follow the rules at Pac rim national park. It is also public lands. Go hunt there. try it. Just because its crown doesn't mean its UREP.

I'm sorry, but DND, specifically the CF does not answer to JohnQ public - you. They answer to the government body. If you don't like what happened, then you need to visit your MP.

And just a small correction, I don't make my gainful employment from being in the CF anymore. My gainful employment comes in the form of consulting to other national militaries who protect their expatriate citizens in less than hospitable environments. The latest - French Navy in Gulf of Guinea.

But my time in the CF, I've interfaced with the public in said area by the power lines. They definitely did not seem angry with me. Disappointed, but angry? - no. You say the majority of Nanaimo is upset with the military. I'd like to see your sampling at which you arrived at this conclusion.

By the way - I too enjoy hiking up Mt Benson. The vista is breathtaking. Trespassing or not, the recreational use of non UREP lands is just borrowed time.

You're not one of those freeman of the lands sovereign citizens are you?

[Buzzard]

Cosmos,or whatever your name is,thank god our proud Canadian fighting men and woman (alot trained on the very same land in question) went off and fought against the Germans ,so that you could have the right to freedom of speech.Comparing a Base Commander to a German officer is downright disgusting.Count yourself lucky that we won the war or else you wouldn,t be enjoying the luxury of being able to hike and bike and spew your venom on a public forum.

[The Hiker of the Cosmos]

By your logic then, if any crown land is public land, I urge you to take a drive up to CFB comox, knock on the door of the control tower and exercise your right to have a sit-in just because you, as public, own the land and can do it. I'll ring up my ATC buddy there right now, and let him know you are coming and ensure that you are accommodated to the full extent of your constitutional right.

Or, setup camp on one of the ridges at CFMETR. Although almost the entire facility is run by civvies, I'm sure the commissionaires would be along soon to see how you're doing.

I also urge you to setup camp and not follow the rules at Pac rim national park. It is also public lands. Go hunt there. try it. Just because its crown doesn't mean its UREP.

I'm sorry, but DND, specifically the CF does not answer to JohnQ public - you. They answer to the government body. If you don't like what happened, then you need to visit your MP.

And just a small correction, I don't make my gainful employment from being in the CF anymore. My gainful employment comes in the form of consulting to other national militaries who protect their expatriate citizens in less than hospitable environments. The latest - French Navy in Gulf of Guinea.

But my time in the CF, I've interfaced with the public in said area by the power lines. They definitely did not seem angry with me. Disappointed, but angry? - no. You say the majority of Nanaimo is upset with the military. I'd like to see your sampling at which you arrived at this conclusion.

By the way - I too enjoy hiking up Mt Benson. The vista is breathtaking. Trespassing or not, the recreational use of non UREP lands is just borrowed time.

You're not one of those freeman of the lands sovereign citizens are you?

You don't get the point again, Comox, Nanoose etc are fully in use, Mt.Benson is not nor will it be nor is there any reason to preclude the public form having access to it, only the firing range is in use, nothing else, the rest is functionally no different then crown forest land run by the BCFS and access for public should be he same for one as for the other.

If they were using it then it would be different but they are not, even if they were there is NO reason to not schedule their activities in a organized & disciplined manner allowing the public to know when the military would not be present, there is NO excuse to simply say get out & don't come back with zero explanation or attempt at some compromise to allow access at certain times.

To literally say you can no longer access almost all of Mt.Benson so we can NOT use it in peace is completely unacceptable & total garbage.
I couldn't care one way or another about how you make your living, it has nothing to with the facts at hand, the num nut was harping on that.

No one is talking about unlimited use of anything so the red herrings you throw up are a non sequitur, you can't go in Linley Valley and have your dogs off leash or fire off a shot gun, no one is talking about that, rather simple basic recreational activities that are the norm and have been there on the Mt. for 4 decades.
Your attempt to exclude that and lump it in with extreme contexts is not credible and makes it difficult to take you seriously.

And yes it is the Governance of the people, for the people by the people and yes you do work for ME, deal with that or go do your mercenary thing as with your additude you are not fit to serve the people of this country, and yes you do answer to the PEOPLE, this is not a military dictatorship where you can do whatever you want.

I am a free man but not a free man as you phrased it.
If a poll was held on the view of the people on their exclusion from Mt.Benson for no reason other then just Because..........the overwhelming response would be against that exclusion once they knew the safety issue was a lie & a red herring.

[The Hiker of the Cosmos]

Cosmos,or whatever your name is,thank god our proud Canadian fighting men and woman (alot trained on the very same land in question) went off and fought against the Germans ,so that you could have the right to freedom of speech.Comparing a Base Commander to a German officer is downright disgusting.Count yourself lucky that we won the war or else you wouldn,t be enjoying the luxury of being able to hike and bike and spew your venom on a public forum.

Typical knee jerk red neck sycophants groveling at the feet of the military rubbish you state, when they nor support for them has anything to do with the matter at hand.

More red herrings from the intellectually bankrupt such as yourself where intelligent thought is foreign to you.
Just typical rally around the flag boys BS, the same that let nations into morally bankrupt wars over time like Vietnam, WW I, Iraq II, with the old we must support our troops BS no matter what the facts are on the ground and if you don't agree with us you are a traitor, boring militaristic clap trap.

The Military need to be viewed in a present day context, to allow them to do wrong just because they did right back then is asinine.
As for Col. Klink, he is what he is for all the world to see, the past effects this not.

Point being no one is using said ground to train now, Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.